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Congratulations to Debian on their exciting new Debian 10 "buster" release! Go get it while it's hot and enjoy some GNOME 3.30 goodness πŸ‘

bits.debian.org/2019/07/buster

@gnome 3.30? Wasn't GNOME 3.32 released 4 months ago?

@codewiz
If you want the newest versions Debian isn't for you.
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@jeybe @gnome How does Debian even get bugfixes for a version of GNOME that''s no longer maintained by the upstream devs?

@codewiz
There shouldn't be bugs in stable. Dunno what they do if there are and maintenance is over. Does this happen? Still, in 99% you'll get a frickn stable system.
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@jeybe @gnome What do you mean there are no bugs? There are always thousands of bugs in a large codebase, no matter how "stable' the developers thought it was when they released it.

@codewiz
I mean the system should be stable without major bugs or functionality errors.
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@jeybe @gnome Even with the bleeding edge distros like Fedora and Arch, it has become rare to see a Linux system crash or hang these days, particuparly on mainstream PC hardware. The kernel, the graphics stack and the system daemons have become mature, and the maintainers have learnt how to make good releases. 1/

@jeybe @gnome I still see non-technical users suffer on Linux, but it's the workflows that normally handle via the shell. Particularly, when they try installing proprietary software from 3rd party sources: games for their kids, Chrome, Spotify, or even open source software for semi-nerds such as Signal and VS Code, which aren't packaged in most distros due to complex dependencies. 2/

@jeybe @gnome Flatpak and Snap, were meant to solve this, but Gnome Software and KDE's Discover are still very immature and buggy, users can't find all the apps they want, and thus they turn to vendor sites offering tarballs behind a friendly green Download button.

It's a miserable experience for them, and if they ask for help we tell them to "open a terminal and type..." πŸ˜‚

@jeybe @gnome This turns users back to the familiar Windows or MacOS, where they know how to install stuff.

Things have been improving on this front, but it's still a work in progress. This is why I think that shipping Gnome 3.30 makes the desktop _less_ usable where it matters the most for pure desktop users with no shell experience.

@codewiz
As my nickname points out, I personally use arch for desktop due to several reasons. And Debian for servers, due to other several reasons ^^
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@jeybe @gnome I also use a bit of everything: my work desktop is a Debian derivative, my laptop runs Fedora, and I'm typing this from my home PC which runs Arch with KDE Plasma.

I've also been using Ubuntu for years, and there was one thing they got right: they focused from the beginning on end users wanting to point and click to do everything. They ended up with a really buggy desktop, but at least they tried.

@codewiz
Debian Buster has been freezed on 2019-03-12
GNOME 3.32 has been released on 2019-03-13
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@PifyZ @gnome lol, perfect timing! Did the release manager do it intentionally?

@codewiz I don't think it's intentional. And even if GNOME 3.32 had been release few days before, I think the time to test would have been too short.

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