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Why wait for Microsoft to catch up with what we've been doing for decades?
Get Plasma, a modern, fully functional, clean, privacy-respecting, non-intrusive operating system now, regardless from where you live and ditch Windows for good.
The article by @arstechnica for those interested https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/11/europeans-can-soon-strip-bing-edge-other-microsoft-cruft-from-windows-11/
@kde
Arstechnica, mostly a good site. The posters in the forum are mostly good with some glaringly bad blind spots lol.
@arstechnica
@kde 11 is definitely entirely lifted from the Plasma design concept.
@aks (unless someone plays valorant, in which case they should self reflect)
@kde honestly a good ad for Linux in general
Also, if you live outside of Europe, you’ll be waiting very long.
That’s why my registy moved to france
Why wait for Windows to change when you can get Linux? ;)
Now you’ve done it!
You complain about this and then throw an actual ad into people’s faces
@kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social It's incredible that we need regulation to force them to be decent.
@kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social
Hey, I'm a neurodivergent trans woman, if I'm still using Windows I've probably got a damn good reason. 
(Besides, I always preferred GNOME and XFCE. 
)
@kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social Never heard of Plasma, nor am I in linux ecosystem yet, but from brief googling Plasma telemetry and developer attitude towards it is concerning
https://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/f2bg69/kde_plasma_518_comes_with_builtin_telemetry_optin/
Been using it for over a year now and there’s just one slider for telemetry that sends them anonymous desktop/KDE apps usage data, and you can limit how much you wanna send them. And i personally haven’t heard of any controversy surrounding that.
The telemetry is transparent, you know everything that gets sent. Unlike Windows.
Yep, and it’s opt-in so if you’ve never turned it on explicitly, then it’s off.
Seriously though, KDE’s slider that lets you adjust how much / how little data to send (if any) is probably the best implementation of opt-in telemetry that I’ve seen in a while.
@shved @kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social is opt-in, not opt-out.
No telemetry gets collected unless you explicitly give permission (and they don't nag or try to trick you into giving it). Overall, KDE is incredibly good for privacy
@kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social I use #gnulinux and KDE, now #kdeplasma since "I don't remember when" years, before the existence of #fedora.
I use it at work, home, to play videogames, for everything, and I can only recommend them. Step forward, respect yourself, take back your freedom and give them a chance.
@kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social "We turned your computer into a platform designed to bombard you with ads, full of useless bloatware, a system designed to pigeon hole you into using and paying for Microsoft products, which is unsafe to connect to the internet without an antivirus and which will break every time we force an update on you." = What Microsoft would say if they were honest describing Windows!
Been wondering about jumping ship to Linux after I got some hands on experience through the Steam Deck, but I hear that they don’t have the same wide compatibility with various Hardware, plus there are a lot of programs you can’t get.
If I want Clip Studio Paint, be able to play games with anti cheat AND be able to stream comfortably with OBS and the XLR microphones I have… Can I reasonably expect to be able to do all these things without a hitch?
@closetfurry @kde Please be slightly more specific regarding "anti-cheat". Do you play competitive shooter games? If yes, then you're probably out of luck for those unfortunately :(
Correct there. Not super competitive as a person, so I play casually for fun
@closetfurry For Clip Studio Paint, Krita might be a very good alternative (and it also work on Windows)
For games, anti cheats are indeed still a huge pain :(
I’ve tried Krita, and liked it, but I prefer the workflow of CSP and don’t want to lose that ;_;
Try running it with wine. The pen pressure might not work tho still. Or maybe with a bit of tweaking it might.
I might try that. Thanks
Since most people don’t use Linux, drivers and software aren’t usually developed for it. Although, a reasonable company would develop just in case or help you get a solution, it’s unusual. Most computers are supported, but there is very specific hardware that may not have support or you’ll find bugs.
I’d recommend you to search (and test with an USB in Live mode) about your hardware and ask in communities about this specific topics. There are music communities, movies, math, streaming, etc.
And no, I don’t think you’ll find anticheat support because most Linux users don’t want closed shady software modifying their kernel (but there are solutions being worked on).
drivers and software aren’t usually developed for [Linux].
This is not very accurate. Despite having a small user base, kernel developers add hundreds of drivers every new version, and the number of end user programs developed by communities (such as KDE and GNOME) and independent teams, has ballooned in recent years.
You’re right, I should specify that it’s mostly for niche hardware. But even though there are developers trying, sometimes those devices are barely usable or have bugs and/or vulnerabilities.
Sure. So the catalogue of natively supported software is large and growing fast all the time. There some more devices that need specific drivers supplied by the provider, and some are not supported at all. It just means you factor one more thing when buying hardware: Is there support under Linux? And that is not one half as hard as it used to be.
Have been trying Linux Mint on a spare laptop as a complete N00b. Can’t get a huion screen tablet to work, nor an older xp non-screen one. Only option I’ve found for software is Krita (which isn’t bad, actually), but no CSP.
Couldn’t get a controller to work properly either without having to install some stuff via command line / terminal, which I wasn’t comfortable doing (I commented about having to do this on another post elsewhere and some guy was like super aggressive about how I didn’t need to apparently… 
)
Other than that, it’s a been a pretty smooth experience. That’s not sarcasm, its genuinely been interesting experience poking about and giving it a go. May just not be ready for my use case yet.
That’s honestly comforting! Thank you for your feedback. I might consider it more. How difficult is setting up a dual boot or something?
I actually found the whole bootloader and how to dual boot thing a bit non-intuitive and generally unclear as to what I should do. But maybe that’s just me. In the end, as it was a spare laptop, I just went full Linux Mint, reasoning that I can always reinstall Windows later…
Thank you! I appreciate the honesty a TON
Hardware support is pretty damn good now, but may require some research beforehand to ensure you get a system with no driver gotchas. Honestly, I have more trouble with driver setup on Windows than on Linux these days. That said, I won’t buy a computer that comes with any incompatibilities, so your experience may vary.
Gaming is easy on Linux now (assuming your system is set up properly) thanks to Steam’s Linux compatibility layer, which is built with WINE. They also have it on the Steam Deck, so you’ve actually probably used it already, you just didn’t know.
The only sticking point is Clip Studio Paint. Apparently it can be set up using WINE, but it’s not going to be as good as a native experience. Or at least, that would be my guess.
Clip Studio Paint
Maybe OP should try Krita. From what I read on the CSP site, Krita has everything CSP has and then some: comic module, manga module, animations module, hundreds of brushes and effects,… the works. It also works fine with all the main art hardware. XP Pen even sponsors on of the contributors and their tablets work flawlessly out of the box.
Eidt: Krita also works in Windows so OP can try it before making up their mind.
(and Android, which is what I tried it on. Was pretty good)
I’ve tried Krita, and liked it, but I prefer the workflow of CSP and don’t want to lose that ;_;
I actually love the steam deck, but there are some favs that I can’t play due to anti cheat, plus I like playing a lot of older titles on GoG. Do those work just as well?
Depends on the title and the nature of the anti-cheat code. If it basically acts as a system-level rootkit, then you may be out of luck.
I’d check the big community-driven games database that keeps track of compatible here: www.protondb.com
In some cases, minor tweaks and settings changes will make games work fine, even if they’re not officially supported.
As for GoG games, there’s Lutris and Heroic Games Launcher, both of which can use Steam’s compatibility layer for running Windows-only GoG games. Again, there may be tweaks involved and your mileage may vary, but the communities for both are extremely helpful.
@closetfurry
Seems nobody mentioned it yet, but OBS is also open source and works beautifully under Linux, but your specific XLR mics may be a question of luck.
I would try out a live distro, just to see what works, and maybe start with a dual boot , just to be sure you can still do things the way you did before .
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@closetfurry
For the most part yes. I haven't used an XLR interface with and Linux distros yet (I have one in the mail currently), but I have used OBS and played games on my Archlinux install.
I haven't heard of Clip Studio Paint before, but there are several graphics applications that run on most Linux distros. Gimp, Pinta, Kirta, Inkscape are just a few examples.
@kde
You generally need to get software and hardware that is compatible with your operating system and processor architecture. It’s true that the most used platforms will have the best support, but you have that problem with any OS.
And it’s also not like games with anti cheat generally don’t work with Linux. Proton+Steam does support Valve Anti-Cheat, Easy Anti-Cheat and BattlEye. It’s just that developers have to explicitly enable Linux support for EAC and BattlEye.
@kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social A friendly reminder that Plasma is a DE and not an OS!
Loving your work btw!
How will people download chrome?
Microsoft Store lets you download some browsers last I checked. You can also use winget which is also preinstalled in Windows.
@kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social I wish all those proclamations were achievable without a boat load of tradeoffs:
@Bro666 Go read posts from Reddit where people go back to windows for any number of reasons.
For me personally. The huge learning curve in the context of troubleshooting issues. Software compatibility and portability. Gaming, though it has improved by leaps and bounds the last few years. But it’s still not even close. Same with hardware/driver support. It’s still a pretty big gamble when switching.
Linux is not superior yet.
> For me personally. The huge learning curve in the context of troubleshooting issues.
I don't know about you, but most solutions are one DDG search away. If not, I can usually talk directly to the devs who are always very happy to help and give you a step by step guide on how to get to where you want to go.
Good luck getting in touch with a dev at Microsoft, Adobe or Apple to get a solution for you edge case problem.
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> Software compatibility and portability.
Interesting. My experience is the exact opposite: While Krita and GIMP can open most Adobe-native files, LibreOffice can open MSOffice documents, and Linux itself can work (to a decent extent) with MS-only file systems, the opposite is not true.
As for portability: many of the Plasma-native apps work fine on multiple platforms and many more are being automatically ported. The opposite is again not true.
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> Gaming, though it has improved by leaps and bounds the last few years. But it’s still not even close. Same with hardware/driver support. It’s still a pretty big gamble when switching.
How long has it been since you have used Linux? Sounds like a decade or more. You know that the Steam Deck is a Linux machine, right? Linux is gradually eating MS's lunch in the gaming sphere, and it is not going to stop.
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> Linux is not superior yet.
Guess it depends on how you define "superior". Linux + Plasma does not leak my data, is safer from trojans and viruses, does no serve up ads, is devoid of bloatware, allows me more control over what and when to update, and is still Free in all meanings of the word.
More importantly, interacting with non-profit communities made up by vocational volunteers is much more fulfilling than trying to work with a corporation that is only out to fleece me.
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@Bro666 This is great for you and 1000s of others. And I respect that. But you're just proving the point that superiority is relative to the needs of an individual and those who share similar needs.
Exactly. Now go read the original toot and tell me where it says KDE is superior.
Then go and read this:
https://mstdn.social/@tnypxl/111462245830905056
and tell me who described Windows as "superior".
@Bro666 I own the steam deck.