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John Goerzen

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I have long been an advocate of free speech and encryption, and have personally been censored by Facebook for writing about Mastodon. Yet I am very much not in favor of the changes they are making. Why is this?

As I reflected on this question, I reflected back to the early days of . And by that I mean the 1980s and 1990s.

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As digital communication opened up, people could build their own communities. Free from the type of monetary pressures that existed before, free from a lot of outside oversight. Many people, for instance, didn't know how to access a or even have the equipment to do so. So self-expression could be unleashed, and was.

But if there are absolutely no rules, then whenever a group gets big enough, troublemakers will show up and ruin it for everyone. 2/

The project had to grapple with this. It took it awhile to learn that allowing poisonous people to run rampant caused more harm than good and drove away would-be talented developers.

But there were never absolutely no rules. Perhaps the owner ("sysop") of a would ban you for insulting their cat. Perhaps they let just about anything go, including the poisonous bits.

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In most areas, you had a choice among multiple BBSs. If you didn't like the vibe at one place, you'd call another. Sysops liked callers, so they learned pretty quickly that they'd lose out if they were bad at moderating.

didn't offer the same choice of providers for most, but there were usually real life consequences for behaving too outlandishly there.

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Some BBSs let people from minority communities such as LGBTQ+ thrive in a place of peace from tormentors. A lot of them let people be themselves in a way they couldn’t be “in real life”. And yes, some harbored trolls and flamers. each BBS, or Usenet site, set their own policies.

These had to be harmonized to a certain extent with the global community, but with BBSs especially, you could use a different one if you didn’t like what the vibe was at a certain place. 5/

With the rise of the very large platforms — and here I mean CompuServe and AOL at first, and then Facebook, Twitter, and the like later — the low-friction option of just choosing a different place started to decline. You could participate on a Fidonet forum from any of thousands of BBSs, but you could only participate in an AOL forum from AOL. The same goes for Facebook, Twitter, and so forth. 6/

As social media became conceived of as very large sites, it became impossible for a person with enough skill, funds, and time to just start a site themselves. Instead of neading a few thousand dollars of equipment, you’d need tens or hundreds of millions of dollars of equipment and employees.

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All that means you can’t really run Facebook as a nonprofit. It is a business. It should be absolutely clear to everyone that Facebook’s mission is not the one they say it is — “[to] give people the power to build community and bring the world closer together.” If that was their goal, they wouldn’t be creating AI users and AI spam and all the rest. Zuck isn’t showing courage; he’s sucking up to Trump and those that will pay the price are those that always do: women and minorities. 8/

Really, the point of any large social network isn’t to build community. It’s to make the owners their next billion. They do that by convincing people to look at ads on their site. Zuck is as much a windsock as anyone else; he will adjust policies in whichever direction he thinks the wind is blowing so as to let him keep putting ads in front of eyeballs, and stomp all over principles — even free speech — doing it. Don’t expect anything different from any large commercial social network either. 9/

The problem with a one-size-fits-all content policy is that the world isn’t that kind of place. For instance, I am a pacifist. There is a place for a group where pacifists can hang out with each other, free from the noise of the debate about pacifism. And there is a place for the debate. Forcing everyone that signs up for the conversation to sign up for the debate is harmful. Preventing the debate is often also harmful. One company can’t square this circle. 10/

Beyond that, the fact that we care so much about one company is a problem on two levels. First, it indicates how succeptible people are to misinformation and such. I don’t have much to offer on that point. Secondly, it indicates that we are too centralized.

And on that point, is a solution. You can join any instance, easily migrate your account from one server to another, and so forth. You pick an instance that suits you. There are thousands of others you can choose from. 11/

Some instances aggressively defederate with instances known to harbor poisonous people; some don’t.

And, to harken back to the BBS era, if you have some time, some skill, and a few bucks, you can run your own Mastodon instance.

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This thread is an experimental abridged version of my blog post at changelog.complete.org/archive. I abridged it manually; no AI was involved. I am curious if people find this format useful or if they'd rather have a simple link to a blog post. (I note that Cory Doctorow does both, incidentally).

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changelog.complete.orgCensorship Is Complicated: What Internet History Says about Meta/Facebook | The Changelog
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@jgoerzen
There's a case for both. It's useful to be able to go to the source blog post but each toot in a thread is capable of serendipitous discovery; someone might flick by a general heading/introduction put the point made in a particular toot within a thread might catch their eye..

@jgoerzen@floss.social I like the thread, even though I have to click view remote instance, I don’t have the shock of switching to a new site and deal with its ui. Sounds silly, but the experience feels more in community rather than switching (some parallels to your bbs analogy)

@ellyxir Thanks - I appreciate those thoughts.

I find the chopping up in toots a little jarring to read, but I guess the instance you have chosen imposes a short(ish) limit on the length you post, even though the ActivityPub protocol doesn't.

@jgoerzen I think I'd prefer to have the link to the blog post in the first post of the thread, to be able to choose which format to read

(but then I'm using friendica, so I get threaded view and my experience may be different from that of mastodon)

@valhalla Fair enough. On Mastodon timelines, most people will see the last post first, but I can see it go either way.

@jgoerzen @valhalla With my preferred client, Phanby, the first post comes first, most of the time.

@liw @jgoerzen @valhalla I need to design a client that has a tree UI element to show the threading, that'll improve my Fediverse reading experience.

But even without threading, I'd like more Mastodon UIs to show posts in chronological order (and to have a concept of read/unread).

For me (currently with Brutaldon), usually the last part appears first when scrolling, but I think I've seen some posts showing up out of order too (possibly a consequence of how information reaches the instance?)

@jgoerzen I read your "summary" blog. It is much similar to your toot-thread (small difference here and there). Looks fine.

And to prove I did read your blog: "Hi there!". I also once borrowed and read a book you wrote a long time ago: Debian GNU/Linux (I forgot which edition).

I now use Devuan since IMHO using systemd is ultimately a dumb move.

@thebluewizard Well hello! And wow, yes indeed I wrote that book, somewhere around 25 years ago now. I'm impressed anybody remembers it!

@jgoerzen

Loved the thread, thanks!

As to splitting up a long-form post, it kind of felt like a flood on my timeline... although it is also possibly nice to be able to reply to specific portions. So... mixed feelings!

@vagrantc Thank you for the thoughts. The being able to reply to specific portions part was one of my goals. I have found that when I post a link to a blog post, I get a lot of reposts and favorites but very little conversation. I am really here for the conversation so I wondered if this might be better. But I definitely don't want to be annoying!

@jgoerzen not (only) mastodon but the #fediverse. yet, it _is_ important.

@tivasyk Quite so, and I suppose for the post here I could make that more clear, but going into the full detail on Fediverse on an article mostly read by people that haven't heard of it I thought would distract from the point.

That said, I do still recommend Mastodon primarily because of the account portability feature, which I don't think exists anywhere else.

@jgoerzen it's not about details. it's about basic respect to people who are not on a mastodon instance, for whatever reasons, and to creators of that software, and all the supporters of the idea of federation and decentralisation, etc., etc. i really think it's more important and worth risking annoying just a little bit those who can't be bothered to do a 3-minute read about what fediverse is and how it's not _only_ mastodon.

having said that, i completely support everything else you've written above!

@tivasyk Fair point, and well made. Thank you, I'm convinced.