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Proton VPN is now included in Vivaldi web browser, with Vivaldi's CEO praising the companies 'shared values' in championing user privacy https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2025/03/vivaldi-browser-now-includes-built-in-proton-vpn
@omgubuntu@floss.social Vivaldi Browser is now bundled with Proton VPN. But Proton (the company) is a registered business in the United States.
There are 200 or so independent countries, territories, and states world-wide. But as you know, corporations do not include terms and conditions for all 200 or so geographical jurisdictions. Businesses only include and worry about the jurisdictions that apply to them.
That said, I would much rather let their own legal documentation speak for itself. Here are their terms concerning Proton. It has whole sections concerning US Customers and US Laws. https://proton.me/wallet/terms A company outside Us Law would not care about American laws, anymore than you would likely care about the law in North Korea, for example.
Proton would like to argue, likely from a public relations standing point, that these terms only apply to Proton Wallet. But that is not how our laws work in the United States. You do not get to pick and choose which department is subject to US Law, anymore than you get to pick which Us Laws you want to follow.
I am really disappointed that Vivaldi Browser, would bundle a company, is clearly subject to Us Laws and Us Jurisdiction.
@omgubuntu@floss.social
I have been working on a list of businesses outside Us Jurisdiction. On that list is a whole list of VPN providers, outside Us Jurisdiction, which Vivaldi could have easily picked from.
https://codeberg.org/Linux-Is-Best/Outside_Us_Jurisdiction/src/branch/main/VPN.md
Cool that you mention Mullvad in that list 
@jbjrkng@hachyderm.io @omgubuntu@floss.social
I will list any provider outside Us Jurisdiction.
(I am also avoiding adding Russia or China)
There's also Mullvad browser and Leta, perhaps those are interesting?
@Linux @omgubuntu That's why they specifically say that US laws apply to you only if you live in the US, which makes sense.
@kerfuffle@mastodon.online @omgubuntu@floss.social
Proton is subject to Us Jurisdiction, which means any Us Laws and orders, can be applied to Proton, without your knowledge.
I did study business law, yes, and have a degree in business management, which included the study of foreign business relations.
If you have an office in, Japan, for example, you're subject to the laws of Japan. If you have an office in, Germany, for example, you're subject to the laws of Germany. But if you have an office in the United States, your office and company are subject to the laws of the United States. Our laws are very predatorial and assiduous.
@Linux @omgubuntu @kerfuffle ok, I don't have a degree in business law. So can you explain in simple terms ... what exactly this may entail? Are you saying that thus proton mail can be compromised because of this and the US government has direct access to emails?
@engravecavedave @Linux @omgubuntu
Afaik Proton(Mail) only has to comply with Swiss law, and if they do, they cannot access your e2e encrypted mail (see link).
Theoretically, because for 1 of their services they have an office in the US (I assume because it's a financial service), their whole company would have to comply with US lawful requests for entirely different services? I really wonder if it'd really work out that way.
@kerfuffle @Linux @omgubuntu but even the entire company complied with US law in it's entirety ... what does that entail? Idk US law. Is there a law somewhere which says Protonmail must have a backdoor to their servers? You see what I mean? I genuinely don't know
@Linux Funnily enough, the footnotes to my article includes a link to your list of VPNs.
@omgubuntu I hate this publicity stunt.
@zstg @omgubuntu i don’t, the article gave some nice free promotion to mullvad, also both vivaldi and proton are european as is omgubuntu and ubuntu itself, all around nice