@omgubuntu i would say the pinephone, because the price matches my expectation. the librem 5 is far too overpriced.

@omgubuntu Pinephone, hands down. I'm not paying $700 for a phone. I wouldn't even pay that much for a laptop.

@kaniini @omgubuntu Feel like the PinePhone's only mistake was a front-facing camera. With a bit of luck though nobody will ever get the drivers for it working.

@omgubuntu pinephone seems quite interesting, will definitely check it out when i finally need to replace my current model.

librem is kind of an asshole and has been doing some very shady shit recently. also that pricetag is ludicrous

@omgubuntu pinephone As someone else said the price matches the expectations! Did a PineBook64 for a sub $150 laptop it rocks to do the basics. I am hoping the phone will be the same!
@feld @omgubuntu what is this "3.5 MM audio jack" how will I show off my dongles

@omgubuntu pinephone. seem more honest than purism. price is better.

phones are phones, not status symbols.

@Vamp898 In theory, there's nothing preventing an AOSP build. Replicant support is being worked on, which is also Android-based.

@omgubuntu hmmm I only use my phone to run Android Apps, so as long there is no official support for AOSP, I'll keep my Pixel

@pro @omgubuntu Given that the PinePhone works with the community it might get an Android Port or you could make Jolla accept the SailfishOS port as legitimate and so they'll provide a fully working android in a LXC container.

@pro @omgubuntu
Google Play Store kind of means Android. Doesn't it defeat the whole purpose? You might as well just pick an ordinary Android device.

@pro @omgubuntu
For me the whole point of considering an alternative phone is to get away from Google Play Store.

@omgubuntu
Both! But I've pre-ordered the librem so probably slightly more excited about it.

@omgubuntu
at their price points, I'd sooner go for the #PinePhone.
Would've liked a bit more RAM and on-board storage though. Might be nice as a secondary device though.

@FiXato @omgubuntu

There is a high possibility of pine64 offering upgrade kits eventually which would bump the specs of the phone and allow you to reuse the shell/display (the original pinebook for example is likely to get upgrade kits). I doubt we'll see any changes to the screen or casing for a few years though, due to the high cost of the molds and the amount of money they spent on testing/research.

@omgubuntu Pinephone, for now. Maybe a librem 5 in the future when they get the 14nm CPU die bump.

I'm highly excited for brave heart. Looking forward to getting a pinetime eventually too!

@omgubuntu
The best was those I can install innany device like Lineageos, I would like choose hardware I want like Linux for desktop.

@wallace
That is really hard with most phones today because the hardware is not open source. See replicant OS and postmarket OS.
@omgubuntu

@omgubuntu the one which works better? Seriously, HW power means nothing if SW doesn't work well, the comparison as it is shown doesn't make much sense Imho...

@omgubuntu My smartphone (Motorola Moto G2) runs with SailfishOS. :) It is enough for me and I bought it for ~80€ nearly 3 years ago (Ebay). Software is still up to date.

@omgubuntu
So the pine phone is only WiFi? No 4g? Can these phones run Android apps like Waze?

@yisraeldov All phones have cellular capabilities, including 4G, but specific bands etc vary between the modems.

@omgubuntu
I won't buy either of them, but if I would have to decide, I would take the Pinephone.

I don't think running a classical Linux distro on a phone is a good idea. Android matured over 10 years and should be used as a basis for a mobile operating system. Why reinventing the wheel. Think about all the apps that need to be recreated for phones.

@omgubuntu If only there was some middle option for ~ $250. Librem is too expensive, PinePhone cameras are too low-end.

@emzo @omgubuntu I don't know of the modularity of the PinePhone and the hw-switch but camera modules are often very easy to swap. Just click in place like lego. So there is a high likelihood of an upgrade possibility there.

My only issue is the screen and that I need some APKs for banking e.t.c.. Which could be solved by an official SailfishOS support.

@shellkr @omgubuntu just seen some pics and a video and both phones are long way before being competition-ready. I like the philosophy, though. Hope they don't both end up like the cancelled Ubuntu phone.

@emzo @omgubuntu Yeah, but I think PinePhone is doing it right. They go for budget friendly and try to get out as many as possible.

The Jolla with SailfishOS is/was more competent than the Ubuntu Phone and also successful. I have one although I can not use it as my main any longer. It is from 2013.

Right now I lack the cash but will get a "Linux phone" again as soon as I can.

@shellkr @omgubuntu now you got me hooked on the SailfishOS now.

@emzo @omgubuntu Yeah, it is really good and covered all the needs I had. Sadly the Android support wasn't updated for my device (which is not strange because of it's age). I used it happily for 6 years and it had sw-support all that time. It still has but not the android-support. I had to get an android device earlier this year as I need it for banking app.

Other versions of SailfishOS has newer support for Android though (8.1). Like for the Sony Xperia XA2.

@shellkr @emzo @omgubuntu

The original pinebook laptop that cost $99 dollars will be getting a CPU upgrade kit early next year if the cooling solution they came up with works out.

I expect in the future we'll see upgrade parts for the pinephone too, but it will be some time before then.

@omgubuntu I wish both had an option for an LCD with more pixels; a lot more pixels.

@petersamy This infographic is from an accompanying article. no OS is mention in this comparison because no OS has been selected for PinePhone yet (6 or 7 are being ported to it though) and multiple OSes are available for the Librem 5. When both are stable (notice the blueprint background) i'll refresh the graphic to include that info, plus weight, dimensions and accessories.

@omgubuntu sincerely? The specs of the pinephone are more than enough for my daily use. The pricetag is a bonus.

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