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I, uh, seem to be heavily contemplating running a server. It's been years. And I'd like to offer peering over to people.

I am either about to do something really fun or slightly insane. This is the best kind of project: where you can't quite tell which until you get into it.

I should also confess I've been posting to comp.mail.uucp lately. AND GETTING REPLIES.

forever? Or 40 years too long?

@jgoerzen I have been meditating on how I'd k like to use Usenet again*. I'd check out a server if you set one up.

*Not just for a.b.warez

@ieure I've done some surfing with Google Groups (terrible, yes) and it actually seems to have a number of pretty nice communities now. I also have no interest in the binaries groups. Free newsserver is available at aioe.org - take a look! Or watch for my announcement on feeds in a couple of weeks.

@jgoerzen @ieure I think last time, after trying out aioe.org for a moment and then trying to post from some local MAN servers and I think succeeding to from my uni or my previous uni servers but having to ssh to my uni or my old uni for that, I ended up just using eternal-september.org/ which iirc was the most permissive to post stuff and maybe for control messages too i can't remember

oh, I put a "just" there.. it was meant to express the withdrawal from all the local stuff, but the Eternal September server was quite a discovery ofc

@jgoerzen Several years ago I wondered if NNTP could be used to essentially federate Discourse forum installations ... there's definitely something there that we just haven't recreated since.

@downey Wow, I had no idea. Incredible if it works well!

@jgoerzen @downey news.gmane.io/ is an nntp server hosting the content of thousands of mailing lists, and it's still active as an archive and live interface!

@dl @downey I just noticed yesterday that gmane is back (with NNTP at least). That is fantastic!

@jgoerzen I think it's part of computer history and should be conserved in an operational state. It's important to know from where you come and how you got where are you today. Be it UUCP/NNTP or the whole retrocomputing thing in total.

Just because we live today and have modern things doesn't mean that older things are worse or bad. Sometimes the good old things are still better than newer things. It's often just that they are not as shiny as newer stuff (but may be a better fit to a problem)

@jgoerzen I'd prefer #Usenet over almost any we-based forum karl-voit.at/2020/10/23/avoid- and maybe even any #socialnetwork if there are good mobile clients.

@0 @publicvoit Yes indeed. I was having a conversation with someone recently, asking "It seems that the Eternal September may be over for Usenet, now that it's no longer popular?" And he was pretty much "yeah, I think so. It's moved to social media." Though I must say, I have really enjoyed Mastodon.

@jgoerzen uucp still works, and there's a few people out there still running Usenet feeds over uucp (over TCP/TLS, no idea if anyone still does actual dialup).

@galaxis I'd be interested to know who, and would love to peer with them that way. I know @SDF theoretically does, and I've been a member there for a long time, but I've never had a reply when I requested peering, so I don't know if that's still an active thing.

@jgoerzen Personally, I have a (paid) UUCP feed from a regional group of crazies, but I don't think they want to set up actual peering over that transport.

eternal-september.org still claims to do UUCP peering on demand, but I know nobody there, and neither how active they still are.

@SDF

@galaxis Well, I think I would use UUCP to revive my Fidonet gateway on my Amiga 3000 again... I don't think that many people will have the need for UUCP for every day work. Although it has benefits when used with low bandwidth connections.

@jgoerzen @SDF

@0 @ij @galaxis @SDF I'm interested in your satellite experiences. Since Globalstar canceled the Sat-Fi2, I haven't seen any other portable data option that was even remotely affordable. I do have a Garmin InReach Mini, which is fine, but it is basically SMS-only.

@0 @ij @galaxis @SDF Low-bandwidth data in the USA / North America. Enough for email without attachments. Roughly dialup speed is fine. SMS / SAR capabilities an added bonus, but I have those with other devices.

@0 @ij @galaxis @SDF It seems most of them are running on Iridium now. I have a Garmin InReach Mini for the primary, runs on Iridium. Pretty good experience with it. SOS activation w/2-way messaging over GEOS, and the 2-minute position beacons integrate with Flight Service in the US. Annoying thing is that its SMS number isn't stable. Zoleo is stronger with messaging, but can do little without a paired phone. Also Iridium. My plane has a 400MHz ELT, SARSAT/COPSAS.

@0 @ij @galaxis @SDF Yeah, the cost of lots of those is 😬 The Globalstar Sat-Fi2 was unmetered, which was nice, but a buggy piece of crap, which wasn't. I suppose one could run ssh over 2400bps, with a multi-minute session establishment time, but yikes. I'm not sure that speed would be worth it.

@jgoerzen @0 @ij @galaxis @SDF

"Othernet" is still around but its just 1 way data. I have a DC5 setup. They stream 1 channel of audio and packets that build up a local internet on your node. wikipedia, news, aprs stuff.

othernet.is/

@junkman @0 @ij @galaxis @SDF Wow, that's pretty cool. I hadn't heard of that before. From the map on the homepage, it looks like it's not available in the Americas?

@jgoerzen @0 @ij @galaxis @SDF
It was on SES-2 (87W) last I knew? My dish is down at the moment so I cant verify. I am in new england. Now that cellular service is coming more universal around the world and starlink coming online the Othernet project has lost a bit of steam. Its kinda a solution looking for a problem now. Their forum system is horrible to search but there are users there who have their othernet DC's on the internet for people to login and look around

forums.othernet.is/t/wiki-page

@galaxis @SDF I am definitely curious about the paid UUCP feed from the regional group of crazies! PAID UUCP still? Amazing and intriguing!

@jgoerzen The web site is in German only since it's a non-profit that has been providing internet access in a city nearby ever since the 1990s. "UUCP-only membership" is €4/month. Not sure how they keep it afloat - we ran a sister organisation here and gave up some time in the 2000s.

I can ask if they're prepared to set up a feed for someone in a different country (though I assume you're outside of the European SEPA bank transfer region and banking costs would be prohibitive).

@SDF

@galaxis @SDF Very cool. I don't think that would be of interest to me but it's really neat to see someone still doing it!

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