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has a new homepage - and I love the leading headline: "Debian is a of People." Yes, it is also a Free operating system, but at a deeper level, the social contract reveals what it's really about: making the world a better place through software.

I have been a developer almost a quarter of a century now and I am glad to see these ideals continue to thrive.

@jgoerzen ya know, the HP logo started showing up on my boot screen after the Ubuntu 20.04 upgrade. I might join you. If I don't revert to BSD.

And, don't forget, only 3 days to DECSystem20 day, 2020 !

@eludom There is just a different feel about the non-profit distros. I used a number of years ago; it's also great. My last look at it was 5 years ago now changelog.complete.org/archive and I am about due for another one. I still like and its unattended-upgrades updates, and that it can run on so many architectures - but there are indeed many good choices out there, in both and land.

@jgoerzen @eludom #debian has been dropping architectures, actually NetBSD is the one that focuses on running everywhere.

@vesperto @eludom Well, sorta. Yes, on paper, NetBSD may runs more places than Debian, and especially obsolete archs. But compare wiki.debian.org/SupportedArchi and wiki.netbsd.org/ports/ and the Tier I list is similar. The projects count differently (eg, Xen isn't a separate arch in Debian) but it's similar, and both have large Tier II lists.

To be supported, a Debian arch needs to be able to run nearly everything in the archive. Not just a minimal system. Everything from Apache to Rust and Go.

@vesperto @eludom 2/ Both are excellent Free OSs that run on many places and I don't want to say one is always better than the other. They are different.

Summary is probably: NetBSD may get you a shell more places, but Debian may get you $FOO (Firefox, Rust, X, whatever) more places.

(Both claims unverified and based on past experience)

Both may meet certain needs better and I'm glad we have both!

@vesperto @eludom 3/ For a slight bit more nuance yet, both run on aarch64, which is the Raspberry Pi arch. On Debian you can download an SD image that supports the RPI4 out of the box with full hardware support (Wifi, etc). Not so with NetBSD. No doubt there may be cases where the inverse is true too.

My point again isn't that one is better than the other, but tthat I don't think one can really say "X runs more places than Y" because of all these nuances.

@eludom the plymouth theme was switched to not redraw the entire screen to give you flicker free boot, so the vendor logo keeps on all the way to the end of boot. @jgoerzen

@jgoerzen This is a big piece of what makes Debian special. No for-profit scheme, no features held back for licencing, no fear that the things you depend on will be ripped away for business reasons. Just a bunch of people who love making Debian what it is.

@jgoerzen

But apparently it's still not possible to find an ISO (apart from the main one) without hours of archeology and divination or dark magic ?

@LienRag Maybe I can help; what ISO are you looking for specifically? debian.org/distrib/netinst may help. Agreed it's a little odd to get there. Homepage -> More -> Download -> Download an Installation Image

@jgoerzen

Thanks.
Right now I have what I need, but when I need to find an ISO (unstable or SID, for exaemple, or sometimes oldstable) I'm very frustrated at how difficult it is for such a basic task.
Even with the new website, "More -> Download -> Download an Installation Image" would be a bit awkward but still acceptable if it DID actually lead to way to find the likns for all ISOs..

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