Huh, thinking back to an argument I had with someone who utterly refused to understand why the FSF would develop JShelter... "Just don't use proprietary JavaScript" he said!

I think most of you can see plenty wrong with that attitude... Its easier said then done. We're coerced by friends, businesses, government, etc. And does it even gain you that much without a tool like Haketillo that allows you to fork said JS?

I did try to break through to him saying ideally no JS, but... Didn't help.

@alcinnz I too don't want to run proprietary JavaScript, but sometimes i also want to buy stuff online or just read an article.
@jens @alcinnz Would not require JavaScript, if implemented that way by the particular website in question, sure. But that is not always the case though, is it?
@jens @alcinnz @daniel I don't think I've seen an online shop that worked with no JS in a very long time, except for very few exceptions with just an online catalogue and the indication to send them your order via email (or fax :D ).

Yes, it could be done through POSTs, but it would be so different from what one expects from a web shop that I'd expect it wouldn't be appreciated by potential customers at all.

Reading articles, OTOH, that's what plain html is for. full stop.

@valhalla @alcinnz @jens @jens @alcinnz @daniel

Reading articles, OTOH, that’s what plain html is for. full stop.

Can’t interact with the cookie banner without javascript though and page might be unscrollable or whatever, before this is done.

@daniel @alcinnz @jens I'm not saying that some websites don't *require* you to use js to just read articles, I'm saying that they could avoid it.

You don't need a cookie banner if you don't set cookies.

yes, it would be harder for them to track and monetize their users. I don't care.

@alcinnz I love when people refuse to accept that reality exists out there 😅

@sigsegv Oh boy, you're reminding me of when my father participated in a badly off-track news comment section...

Got the reply "There's always someone who says they were there." before they went back to their fantasy of the events...

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