I think I'll be clear about this: I am not anti-Mozilla.

(Though putting Pocket in their addressbar rather than an RSS/Atom subscribe button does go against my design principles for encouraging a more decentralized web)

I think they are a positive influence, but they have too much influence to loose to be as radical as they pretend to be.

At the same time we do need a truly radical browser engine to help get us out of the sad software development we're in. I hope to be that!

I think I'll expand on what that design principle I have is: I do not integrate specific websites into my browser, whether it's my own or others. Always allow integrating multiple webservices into homepages, searchboxes, etc rather than just one.

I haven't managed to fully adhear to this yet, and I did make an exception to discourage reliance on YouTube.

But Mozilla doesn't know how else to make enough money to implement a "modern" browser engine. Neither do I.

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@alcinnz
You should've asked earlier :mario_jump:

The main problem is that browser design has always been a loss leader for web-based services. (1500 characters deleted) That doesn't mean you can't find a business model that will work, but having loss leaders in your target market means rethinking fundamentals about markets. In this case, for example, both for profit and nonprofit vectors are saturated, so you'd need a thoroughly postcapitalist approach

Distributing a browser that arrives on the end-user's desktop with a default configuration that approaches decisions they would make for themselves might be easier than attempting to eliminate any bias

But let me know if you're interested in a run down of the core ideas

@yaaps My approach so far is to tackle a poorly addressed niche, illustrating the benefits that have been discarded in the rush for webapps.

But I'm open to all ideas!

@alcinnz
You're an artisan. Occupying niches too small for economies of scale is how this precapitalist pattern survives and how it spawns new businesses under capitalism. It relies on a certain amount of privilege in that you need free time, skills, and personal/professional connections to succeed. in addition, the artisan is vulnerable to their own success. Replacing artisans with commodity labor is how capitalism grows

To scale up while maintaining autonomy, you need to establish a worker's collective. That provides a model to distribute income for skilled labor, as needed, without selling equity. Then you can crowd fund, if needed, while building a distributor network

Developing an independent distribution network is how you avoid becoming dependent on key donors. Your browser product will be customizable and unopinionated, with strong privacy defaults, which is not so friendly to most who would use it. Distributors will provide opinionated customizations to end users who share their opinions, without disabling privacy defaults or removing the ability to modify customizations. Your ideal distributors would be those providing community-owned alternatives to profit-driven content platforms - looking at internet access co-ops, user freedom CAPs, student government, clubs and hobby organizations. The general shape of the relationship looks something like the Linux distro marketplace, but maybe a different ratio of financial donations to code contributions going upstream. The idea, however, is to make it easy to repackage your browser with their settings and worthwhile to preserve your user-centric features and contribute

@yaaps I guess the obvious place to start, given the niche I've decided to fill, would be opensource hardware companies like Pine64. Or the distros they choose ship. Could be mutually beneficial.

Once I see if I can get beautiful auditory and TV remote experiences (by partially breaking compatibility), see if that can help them nudge into the phone/smartwatch/TV/etc marketplace.

Just trying to see how I can get from here to there...

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@yaaps As for the issue of configurability, it's hard not to deliver that when building browser engines (as opposed browser chrome, like Odysseus). Though I doubt you'd get much from turning off the privacy features, given everything I could *never* afford to implement even if I wanted to.

Rhapsode's design in particular is turning out to be very elegant, and it'll be surprising how much milage you'd get from configuring it's default bookmarks...

@yaaps I will also say: This is a gigantic yak I chose to shave!

It's hard for me to think beyond Hephaestus, and before last week (when I studied Weasyprint, examined line counts, & had a seperate epiphany) that was seeming like a pipedream. I sure hope I get some help by then!

@alcinnz
You're doing really well, though. Just keep the razor sharp and that yak'll be bare in no time at all

@alcinnz
The original proposition was a "modern" browser (your quotes), so I was assuming that wouldn't be a 1 person job

Either way, EU and various national governments are offering grants to people developing alternatives to software in ecosystems controlled by US corporations and there are a growing number of crowd funding platforms

@yaaps I put those quote marks in to suggest that our concept of a modern browser is part of the problem. It's an unattainable goal for any group who hasn't already achieved it.

Yeah, I'm sure there'd be a government somewhere who'd be interesting in funding. I'll put out some feelers after I have Rhapsode roughly done. I'm surprised how fast that came together!

@alcinnz
Me, too. I thought I was going to have so much more time :yayclod:

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