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I finished reading World Wide Waste by Gerry McGovern. I'd consider it essential reading for anyone working with computers!

gerrymcgovern.com/books/world-

It's well cited (though I still need to check those citations) & uses maths effectively to make it's point.

That computers + (surveillance) capitalism is actually worse for the environment than the predigital era. That we can and must move slow and fix things, and fund that vital work directly.

Don't get me wrong, computers can absolutely help us regain our environmental efficiency. They just *aren't*.

Not as long as we're:
* constantly syncing everything to the cloud,
* expecting same-hour delivery,
* funding our clickbait via surveillance advertising,
* buying a new phone every year,
* using AIs because they're cool rather than useful,
* running bloated software & webpages,
* buying into "big data"
* etc

Computing is environmentally cheap, but it rapidly adds up!

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@alcinnz @zensaiyuki I see you talking about “sending everything to the cloud” and couldn’t agree more.

If you are versed on that matter, you may be interested in @hergertme’s Bonsai project.

A bit stale at the moment since Christian is working on a lot of very nice things, but definitely worth having a look at

gitlab.gnome.org/chergert/bons

@alcinnz
I've heard it said that if the internet was a country, it would be the fifth largest polluter. We certainly need to do something to improve that situation.

@alcinnz
"Computing is environmentally cheap (...)"

Computers are not though unfortunately, their production is an often overlooked massive energy expense that often exceeds the running energy consumption of their entire lifespan.

There is probably a better way to deal with this through repair and reuse, but either way computers are highly environmentally problematic even before they got to compute anything. :/

This article has some good info: solar.lowtechmagazine.com/2009

@unicorn Yeah, there's a good reason I listed: "buying a new smartphone every year". I just couldn't fit *why* in my toot.

@alcinnz eh *please don't* analyze that data? That would be even more wasteful.. Also "free app?" is an app 100M or 100K of data?

Like generally, videos cost way more bandwidth/storage than other things!? (maybe wasteful javascript manages to compete)

Similarly find it incorrect on the google thing aswel. Like, we *dont* want google deciding what is worthy? Also think the number of pages is just an estimation, they're not actually retrieved..

@jasper It's basic argument is that while digital is environmentally cheap, it rapidly adds up. Make sure what you're doing with them has real value to you.

It discourages collecting the data in the first place, and I would say strongly encouraging textual communication *is* discouraging video. Especially given it's analysis of streaming audio.

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