At this point, I no longer feel it is merely morally permissible to violate copyright, but rather one’s *moral duty* to subvert the vast majority of copyright. “Intellectual property” is a thoroughly disgusting Orwellianism.

We have entered a period where a samizdat underground is necessary to sustain the basic facets of civilization. And public education is a central pillar of the commonweal.

#Torrent every goddam thing.

Follow

@Shufei Anything in particular that just disgusted you in regards to copyright?

Personally I'm enjoying & promoting truly independant fiction that isn't relying on at least the worst of these laws. I'm loving what I'm finding!

@alcinnz The copyright cabal going after Internet Archive. Despicable. Absolutely shameful. Libraries should be temples, whether online or off. They should be the centrepiece and pride of our species. Their doors should swing wide open for all comers, both writers and readers. Any society which undercuts the Library has lost the aegis of Heaven.

@Shufei @alcinnz I'm actually longtime friends with the lead developer of Internet A'rchives OpenLibrary project that is the subject of these upcoming lawsuits. I remember when he first announced the National Emergency Library back when COVID-19 first sent us all indoors. It seemed like a pretty amazing altruistic action to me at the time. Now their organization is bracing for impact from these greedy publishing corporations. Screw the suits. OpenLibrary has acted in the public good here.

@lambdatronic @alcinnz By heart I support systemic health, and hope for some sort of gentler “progress”. But stuff like this makes me wonder if the cathartic kids have it right. Burn it all down. Kick the knees out from under the suits and their fetid, rotten empire.

Please tender to your friend best wishes and encouragement; I daresay I speak for many. The overreach of these unctuous corporate barbarians must be resisted. Internet Archive’s continuance is absolutely essential.

@lambdatronic @Shufei @alcinnz I agree .. but the legal ramifications are going to be harsh. The Internet Archive is one of the few places you can still see a lot of .. history. That's going away right now. Our planet desperately wants to erase all our memories of wrong.

@Shufei @alcinnz Private property undercuts a lot of things, beyond libraries.

You may think that copyright is terribly unjust. That it creates artificial scarcity and does not reflect the way that cultural works are actually produced. That it props up the fiction of the lone creative producer. And you'd be right.

But in the world as it currently exists practicing civil disobedience against copyright turns out not to be a viable strategy. People tried that in the 2000s and it ended badly. It turns out that to abolish copyright you first must abolish capitalism itself.

@bob @Shufei @alcinnz

I wouldn't either start the struggle with one of the few kinds of property whose rights to exploitation expire, except in the US, where its law's been bent into unknown dimensions.

@bob @Shufei There's a reason I encourage people to watch others' shows not funded and distributed by capitalists...

I wonder why that has led me to, amongst other things, hearing more anticapitalist themes?

@alcinnz
There's #antiCapitalist and #antiCorporatist / anti-#oligarchy.

We'd say that 90% of anti-capitalists are actually, anti-corporatist.

Eg. if they could start there own little business, serving people in their community using the skills and passion they have for that venture, they would.

#capitalism #corporatism #invertedTotalitarianism
@bob @Shufei

@dsfgs Define things as you will, but at least on the fediverse anti-capitalism appears to mean an opposition to extremely wealthy individuals & corporations.

And both Welcome To Night Vale and The Red Panda Adventures are definitely against extremely wealthy individuals. I might enjoy extracting some quotes soon...

@bob @Shufei

@alcinnz
Its not about defining things as we see, we just advocate using the correct words and terminology.

We want people to stay what they mean. If we don't mean (precisely) what we say we will be rejected by the vast majority and get nowhere.

@bob @Shufei

@dsfgs I'm trying to use the terms those I'm discussing with are. And I gather from others that these terms have been redefined from underneath us by the very capitalists we're fighting.

Still I don't know what I'm talking about here, try discussing with, say, @natecull . When I stop seeing "anti-capitalism" being used the way I mean it I'll follow suit.

@bob @Shufei

@alcinnz
Okay, but we will say the #Fediverse is not a big subset of people and might attract people on the fringes. *wink*

Maybe we are fringe, but we were doing okay on #Failbook till we started saying #FreeAssange and educating on #Bitcoin.

If we want our opinions to be accepted by 93% of society its best to use the correct terms and pinpoint attention on the exact issues.

Yes. #Capitalism, when taken to a particular extreme does stop being capitalism.

(1/2)
@natecull @bob @Shufei

@alcinnz @natecull @bob @Shufei
(2/2)

Maybe #Failbook didn't like our #antiImperialism writings either. It can be hard to tell precisely.

Alas, I can point you to a really interesting #film called #Obey (2014 #FilmsOfAction). It's short but fits A LOT in and predicts where #InvertedTotalitarianism (the anonymity of a corporate state being in control). We'd be interested in your thoughts on some of the predictions, if ypu have the chance to watch it.

Sorry we don't have a URL on hand.

@alcinnz @bob @Shufei
The most insidious thing about #hyperCorporatism and #oligarchy is it actually crushes #capitalism.

Oligarchs are about to destroy the #competition and this is where we are. The #bankerClass are cosy with the oligarchs and feed them newly minted cash daily. Its #socailismForTheWealthy, and #capitalismForThe99percent.

Its why #antitrust laws exist, but now they are not used because our #leaders are captured (see also #revolvingDoor #politics).

(1/2)

@alcinnz @bob @Shufei
This is why we say the system is so far gone that the only way we see to bring things back is by using #hardCurrency (#gold and #bitcoin, the latter is easier and more liquid, #transportable, etc).

Yes, at the start of the bitcoin game some oligarchs might have a lot of it, but over time they have no choice but to spend it and thus their power will dilute. We think their power will dilute quickly.

Then #quality and #justice can succeed.

It won't be easy, just better.

@dsfgs @alcinnz @bob @Shufei wait, but bitcoin is not a hard currency at all. More over, due to it "independent" nature, it is quite unsustainable. I mean, the economic theory isn't invented by idiots. Without some external (yes, state :ac_facepalm: ) regulation it will act as random exchange.

@dsfgs @alcinnz @bob @Shufei consider the following:
Several rich persons cooperate and in the day X sell all the bitcoins they have in one exchange. I've also cooperated with some people who "buy" theirs bitcoins.
What will happen?
Due to extreme increase of offering and practically no changes in demand, the value of bitcoin drops.
And using those who bought their bitcoins they now have more that they have at start.

@dsfgs @alcinnz @bob @Shufei
N.B. currency fraud is technically possible with anything, which has no cost by itself (i.e. fiat). That's why we need economic security authorities.
Sad but true.

N.B.2 the disability to quickly change the amount fo money (i.e. by printing more) can also act as a destabilising factor. Some type of cryses can not be mitigated without it.
Sad but true.

> at the start of the bitcoin game some oligarchs might have a lot of it, but over time they have no choice but to spend it and thus their power will dilute. We think their power will dilute quickly.

Unfortunately, it is not how free economy works. Instead of "deluting" money (and other assets) tend to consentrate: the more you own - the more abilities to gain more you have.
We can try to mitigate it with progressive loans and some other methods, but does not change the economic laws.

@Shufei @alcinnz "I want free shit" vs. "I'm an author and make my living with book sales"

@fireglow @Shufei "Information wants to be free, but it also wants to be expensive."

It's funny how fuller quotes tend to contradict what society has decided they mean...

@fireglow @alcinnz Really? That’s your takeaway? Corporations leaving dregs of artificial scarcity, destroying the basic fabric of public education AND parasitizing the livelihoods of artists, the vast majority of whom never make a “living” off copyright. But that’s your read?

Boot leather must be tasty to some folk or something...

@Shufei @fireglow @alcinnz You know, although copying of information does not cost anything, it does not mean that information itself is gratis. Personally, I'm a (junior) physicist, I "create" technologies. Often the main idea can be explained in one or two pages of text, but this two pages of text cost me several years of research on quite an expensive equipment. Do you think this two pages of text are free?

@Shufei @fireglow @alcinnz To be clear, we publish scientific papers in open resources like arXiv, but that papers are about results and scientific importance. The technologies that we invent are patented, as *this* is the only way to prevent technological corporations from taking and using it for free.

@Shufei @fireglow @alcinnz yes, copyright is very controversal thing, but in the world where semiconductor factory costs billions of dollars, intellectual property is the nessessary evil to protect creators/inventors from manufacturers.

The problem is that copyright also conctrains the development of new technologies/inventions, but it can not be fixed with quick and dirty "solutions" like "let's just pirate everything".

@peexea @Shufei @fireglow Feels relevant to link to these toots/wishlist: floss.social/@alcinnz/10431490

Personally I go the way of a boycott, if you don't offer a DRM-free download you don't have my attention.

@peexea Copyright and patent aren't the same thing, though. Though there are similarities, there are also significant differences, so don't let's confuse the discussion of copyright specifically.

@Shufei @fireglow @alcinnz

@emacsomancer @alcinnz @Shufei @fireglow Well, ok. Example with copyright: software, used in manufacturing/engineering. For instance, CFD, CAD or banking information systems programms. It's seems perfectly acceptable for such programms to be closed source and under copyright, as it literally a way to make money (i mean, the production cost of, let's say, a car contains among others a fraction of development cost of this software).

@emacsomancer @alcinnz @Shufei @fireglow Maybe models of IC is an even better example. The development of logic elements (like AND, OR, NOT and, actually, dozens of more complex gates) is not just the design of semiconductor layers, but years of testing (i mean, creation billions of logic gates and stress-testing them at different temperatures) which aim is to obtain as accurate mathematical models of each gate as possible.

@emacsomancer @alcinnz @Shufei @fireglow Full development of such library of logic gates cost from 100 millon to 1 billion dollars, that's why it practically never goes out of the lab, which has developed it. Consumers are provided with only computational models of the gates, so they can model their designs. Later, the consumer gives the sinthesized design (enourmously huge graph of logic elements connected to each other) back to the lab.

@emacsomancer @alcinnz @Shufei @fireglow The lab does so called Place&Route - numerically find the way to put gates of this graph to the silicon die and connect them as needed.
With this P&R model they create special matrix which is later used in photolithography.

@emacsomancer @alcinnz @Shufei @fireglow Just to understand the scale: routing of small ARMv1 compatible CPU (Amber core) takes about two-three hours on a powerfull server. Companies like Intel and AMD use datacenters full of specially designed ASIC, and even though full P&R of modern CPUs takes from several days to several weeks.

@Shufei @fireglow @alcinnz As one of my lecturers have said: "I can write the whole A4 with reasons, why intellectual property is nesessary, when I can flip it and write the whole other side with reasons, why it is destructive."

@fireglow @alcinnz @Shufei Great way to take a thoughtful argument about the exploitative nature of copyright and reduce it down to "lol people just want free shit".

Scientific papers and YouTube bans are great examples of how copyright limits our access to knowledge and restricts "fair use".

Copyright protects not the author, but the publisher, from sharing, because sharing is not profitable to corporations.

@Shufei @alcinnz

A number of writers I've generally thought of as good people (e.g. N.K. Jemisin), have been coming out hard against the Internet Archive and its 'violation of copyright'. While I do think that authors certainly deserve a decent living (i.e. more than most of them are making now), I really have a problem with that position.

On a bright note, one very good author I like (Rivers Solomon) came out strongly on the other side, saying: "While I profoundly appreciate people buying my books - it's literally why I'm alive - I am happy that my work is very likely available on pirating websites. Individuals accessing my work for free is not what hurts me as an artist. Capitalism does that just fine all by itself." [ https://twitter.com/cyborgyndroid/status/1244196825642471424 ]

(After seeing this, I bought another copy of her _An Unkindness of Ghosts_ to send to my brother.)
Screenshot_2020-06-13 Rivers So…

@alcinnz

everyone is currently getting really mad about the Copyright Alliance trying to sue the Internet Archive for putting up its non- privatised-publisher-silo online library even as the thing is for social distancing and probably temporary

-and i'm enjoying these rants a lot-

Sign in to participate in the conversation
FLOSS.social

For people who care about, support, or build Free, Libre, and Open Source Software (FLOSS).