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Material Design, Modernism, & design politics: imaginarycloud.com/blog/materi

'Google is a multinational corporation that represents a particular culture and Material Design is just another tentacle of the octopus that monopolizes the Web.

That’s why, more than ever, movements like Web-Brutalism that have the boldness and the courage to question those “rational aesthetics”, dictated by science and technology, are very relevant.'

@onymous Interestingly I've seen that term refer to two very different design movements: One based on simplicity & applying as little design as possible, the other based on looking very messy.

@alcinnz
Hmm. The term makes me think of architecture, I'm curious about what others think. I need to think about this. Think think think.

A messy design could also be something lite glitch art, I guess.

I'm mostly inspired by late 90s amateur website design right now. I need to add a visitor counter to my homepage.

@alcinnz

honestly, i love css as it is just for its potential for experienced graphic designers to "properly" fuck up designs like this the exact same way you would in some kind of print magazine

that layout lab homepage where everything is in perfect typography and well-proportioned but way off at a dumb angle? beautiful.

i love the way html can be used as a kind of new better magazine, or better pdf where you can tear things apart in an inspector, add accessibility attributes, etc.

@alcinnz

I think the main real "problem" with html / css is the way pages get bloated with extra data/scripts,
and offload work from the browser into javascript letting page authors code half the browser on the fly

personally, I like the concept of this gemini thing as an alternative for those that don't wish to design pages (the browser demos look good!) more than the idea of trying to scrap html/css

@alcinnz Yes! THANK you. I am quite tired of the ubiquity of Twitter & Google dictated design and its uniformity. Over time it really dampened my enthusiasm for my trade.

The early web had so much variety and creative design. It's why I became a web designer in the first place. But now we're pressured to reproduce the same clone repeatedly with nothing but a superficial coat of paint.

Designers for the web need to reclaim our soul and allow it to be a place of creative expression once again.

@freedcreative @alcinnz But there still needs to be some consistency, though. It would be really annoying to have completely different designs across different apps.

@avalos Sure, a project should have consistency across its own sites and applications to help people use them easily.

But the entire web should not have Google and Twitter based design homogeneity rolled out almost everywhere.

As the article says, it's a political choice to fly the Google or Twitter flag, not just a design choice.

@freedcreative I think it's probably in part because they offer beautiful and easy-to-use CSS frameworks, everyone's already used to them, and not everyone has the time or skills to create a new CSS design from scratch.

@avalos There are lots of other choices though. There are other CSS frameworks. There are no-code tools for people brand new to design. There are pre-processor oriented frameworks too.

If a person is new to CSS and needs a leg-up to get going while they learn, that's one thing. But these frameworks, and the layout & style orthodoxy they initiated, are *far* more ubiquitous than can be accounted for just by the number of people new to the field.

@freedcreative @avalos As someone crazy enough to create my own browser engines, I'd advise:

People are well accustomed to navigating various different document designs, and treating them as flags for different organizations. I see little harm (as long as sites aren't obscuring their own text) in every page having it's own design.

Forms though: please don't bother styling them. To make them work accross the weird I/O devices I like to target I need full control.

@freedcreative But even if we were to ditch Google and Twitter design frameworks, I'm almost sure design trends and philosophies would continue to be a thing. Trends are almost inevitable in a globalized culture.

@avalos Of course. But there is a monumental difference between fashion and trends vs. adopting the branding & design systems of two tech giants then implementing them across almost the entire internet.

It'd be like if all possible clothing fashions were replaced across the board by only Nike and Adidas pants & t-shirts, and all other clothing was looked on as out of the ordinary.

No more creative fashions & catwalk shows. Just choose what colour you want your Nike or Adidas uniform to be.

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