one thing I find frustrating is that there *have* been things he was called on, after which he did modify his schtick

just not lately

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@deejoe @gid @ehashman

I "violently" agree that
RMS makes too many mistakes to last forever.

But I think his weakness is a lack of empathy. I want his replacement to have a *lot* of empathy.

Enough empathy to say "let's be nice to the old guard as they retire."

Someone who says "it's not about pushing him out," while still pushing him out, seems likely to develop more of the same problems.

We need people who care enough to care about the effects of their actions, regardless of their justification.

@ptvirgo @deejoe @gid I strongly agree with Matthew Garrett in that I don't want to see RMS replaced; we need to remove the necessity of having a single figurehead leader in the free software community: mjg59.dreamwidth.org/52587.htm

@ehashman @ptvirgo @deejoe @gid I think the problem here is not "RMS should be replaced" but that somebody should just do it.

Last time I heard RMS talking he seemed to be kind of angry and tired and he explicitly asked others to carry this thing on instead of him.

I don't think he insists to be the only one, he just happens to be a prominent figure of the free software movement

@saper @ehashman @ptvirgo @deejoe @gid I've heard him call for others to spread the message years ago in some of his talks.

It seems people don't feel the need to while he's still up there. But more people would cover more ground.

@alcinnz @ehashman @ptvirgo @deejoe @gid I think the problem is something else: with all shortcomings RMS lives the way he preaches. I will be much less convinced by somebody giving their Free Software, Free Society presentation with slides coming out of their MacBook. I feel guilty typing this on an iPad myself.

@saper @alcinnz @ehashman @ptvirgo @deejoe @gid yup, for all his faults, he lived his principles. That's why he's been the leader for so long. Others would likely dilute that. But I hope a worthy new leader will come forward. (Microsoft certainly doesn't want that, though!)

@lightweight @saper @ehashman @ptvirgo @deejoe @gid All I can say is that if I'm ever given the chance to give a presentation, you won't have that issue with me.

I love elementary OS! And I'm hoping to replace my iPhone with a Librem 5 soon.

@alcinnz @lightweight @ehashman @ptvirgo @deejoe @gid many of us try to switch... and we either don't have a platform to switch to or we can't give up using the gadget. I don't think Librem will have a free software radio interface (baseband). RMS simply refuses to use a mobile phone. "Easy".

@saper @alcinnz @lightweight @ptvirgo @deejoe @gid I don't really wanna get dragged into this argument but this simply isn't true. RMS is happy to borrow your proprietary cellphone to make a call. He's happy to access content on Google docs so long as someone else runs the proprietary software for him. To claim some sort of moral superiority when he just has other people run proprietary software for him so he doesn't have to get his hands dirty is preposterous. I don't think it's particularly principled to brush the externalities under the rug here. twitter.com/christi3k/status/1 twitter.com/christi3k/status/1

@ehashman @saper @lightweight @ptvirgo @deejoe @gid I've seen a Software Freedom Conservancy talk discussing this issue...

And for what it's worth I do disagree with RMS's stance here, having someone else use proprietary software on your behalf does not help our movement. It's better to run that software yourself and resolve to having a free software replacement made.


@lightweight @saper @ptvirgo @deejoe @gid I've finished listening to that (again), and I don't see how that interview contradicts or even addresses the habit @ehashman was objecting to.

@alcinnz @saper @ptvirgo @deejoe @gid @ehashman unless I'm mis-remembering (listened to it yesterday again), he specifically talks about the conditions under which he'll use proprietary software (grudgingly)...

@alcinnz @saper @ptvirgo @deejoe @gid @ehashman and the distinction he makes between proprietary software vs. surveillance of mobile devices.

Right - dropping out now as I need to work on #FOSS for my day job... :)

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